Tuesday, September 16, 2008

Water Baptism by any other means besides Immersion?

Water Baptism by Immersion

Water Baptism is something practiced by Christians to symbolise the believer's commitment and union with Christ. It is not something to be taken lightly. In fact, some converts seem to consider this as the turning point of a person's life more so than they do the act of accepting Christ into their hearts. In addition, some non-Christian parents I know think it's ok for their kids to attend church and be a Christian, but put up a tremendous fuss when they want to be baptised. (Mine included! So this is based on experience and not some random thought! Hehe).

Anyway, that was just a thought. Here's the main issue of this post: I know and believe in Baptism by Immersion to be not just popular, but also the most adequate method in symbolising the meaning of baptism. (By the way, I'm assuming you already know the symbolism of Baptism. But just in case, it symbolises the death - through immersion, and resurrection - through emergence, of Christ and our union with Him). It (immersion) also appears to be the method that was used in the New Testament. It was indicated so in the case of Jesus in John 3:23 and Mark 1:10, as well as in the baptism of the Ethiopian eunuch by Philip (Acts 8:38-39). So here's the big question: Just because it was done in the OT, does that mean we have to do it now? Can we use any other methods or modes of baptism? Should we allow for modes to be used?

Emergence from the water symbolises a resurrection into a new life without sin.

To be honest, I don't know of many other forms of baptism. I do know of the Sprinkling of water over the believer, and possibly also the pouring of water over one's head. But frankly speaking, it doesn't quite do justice to the symbolism of Baptism, does it? Therefore, in my opinion, no, there shouldn't be any other methods allowed other than immersion. But the next issue is this, what of those who are terribly terribly sick and cannot get out of the bed, the terminally ill, or those in a coma? What about young infants who can't swim? Do we then just exclude them from the priviledge of making this commitment?

Well... *sweat*... baptism does NOT affect one's salvation. Regardless of whether a person is baptised or not, as long as he or she has placed their faith in Christ, they can be assured that they are saved. Choosing to be baptised is making a commitment to follow after Jesus and it should be a decision made by no one else other than the candidate. Therefore, this rules out the case of the comatosed person and the infant.

Next, what of the person who is terribly sick or terminally ill? The simplest answer I can think of for the sick person is why not just wait til they are better? Again, baptism does not affect one's salvation, so if the sick person wishes to be baptised, just be patient. Now, here's when it gets really tricky. What about those who are bed-ridden or who are terminally ill and still wish to make a declaration of their commitment to Christ? Well, I suppose arrangements can be made with doctors or nurses for the baptism of the patient. But I understand that this is not always possible. Perhaps then we can encourage the person to declare their commitment to Christ in some other form? Living a life of faith, writing a statement of faith, and remaining faithful til the end can all be forms of commitment declarations. But don't just take my word for it. What do you think...?

Would've loved to have been baptised here, no?

13 comments:

Joe Iyathurai said...

dear bro, my view is anybody who seeks water baptism should be allowed asap esp those who are in your exceptional case because the scripture says' every men's life is but as breath' and so we should not delay it because of the circumstances. GB

Anonymous said...

I agree that it is not detremental to salvation that a person is baptised. But people do take it seriously enough that they want to make this declaration of faith especially to their families. It is not so vital for a person but a confirmation and declaration of faith and it is important enough especially for the older generation or those who had pasts to really send the past to the grave and begin a new. Rituals sometimes are assurances like funerals are to comfort the living and not the dead. So as much as it seems un-vital i think you can down play the significance that way, especially to the meaning one puts into it, and for you to infer your thoughts on their honest want to really go the next step for Christ and is the only way they know how seems to have the potential to stifle them or leave episodes unfinished.

Also if they are wanting a Christian Funeral when they were previously registered in this nation as a different religion, water baptism and its cert allows us to change the religious belief of the person.

So it is as important in many other ways in situations to help complete the journey of conversion.

So I would think that I would say baptism by dipping or springkling or anything to help the sick and bed ridden fulfill their commitment to Christ is permissable. Of course it would be ideal for us to have immersion but as long it holds the same meaning.

But the most important factor is that they must be able to make the decision themselves and in a clear state of mind. So that rules out infant baptism, its nature it so make sure the baby is Christian so that if the infant dies it won't go to hell. or those unable to make a sound decision or people in comas.

The choice for baptism must be made of their own free will and we facilitate it. Immersion is preferable but if situation doesn't permit it then I say whatever we can do to facilitate.

Eunicelaw said...

Hi,
i am not so clear about your explaination on the terminally ill patient who need water baptism. If they inssist how do you conduct it? Especially with the tubes running all over them?

jeromeliew said...

When you stated that water baptism is not a must do to in order for someone to be saved, so i don't think it's necessary for a person to have any other form to substitute their commitment to God by writing a statement of faith.

Mike Leo said...

Dohnie,

Baptism is something suddenly pop up in the N.T. when John the Baptist preached it. It is no where to be found O.T. God did not commanded for it in the Torah nor is it in the 10 Commandments. So, are we following a ritual that we know not its origin?

You mentioned that the meaning of baptism is to die with Christ and to live with Him thru immersion. But when Jesus took baptism, what does it means?
When John the Baptist baptise ppl, what does it symbolizes?
Because Jesus' death has not been revealed yet. People don't know that Jesus came to die and resurrect.

Your explanation of the meaning of baptism is a post-resurrection meaning. Shouldn't we stick to the original meaning stated by John the Baptist?

Why do we need a person to baptise us? Can't we baptise ourselves? Nowhere in the Bible that says we need another person to baptise us.

Why we need a pastor to baptise us? Can't our church elder or church leader baptise us? Nowhere in the Bible that says we need a pastor or an apostle to baptise us.

Why do we need to lean back and immerse? Can't we go straight down on our knees and stand up straight out from the water to symbolize death and resurrection with Christ?

What do you think of baptism for those who have mental problem?

If baptism is not crucial for salvation, why do we need to do it?

Bible never state that we need to take Baptism Class prior to baptism. Why churches today make it a must?

A Christian may be baptised when he is 10 years old, but what do you do if he comes to you and say, "I want to get baptised again because I now repented from my adultery and I want to start my spiritual journey anew. I a new person in Christ now. Besides, I don't understand what I did when I was baptised at 10years old because my dad forced me to"


Man! I like blog! Happy answering. You need and coffee?

Anonymous said...

I am saying this from not my personal perspective ok?

If water baptism has no significance in our own personal Christian life? Why do it?

I mean to say that there should be a spiritual significance no?

Just as a testimony? Wow then can't I testify through other means? If I do it through other means why is it insufficient as a commitment? If it is just symbolic then how? I pressumably also believe that the definitive statement in the bible that we should be baptised it also insignificant and circumstancial?

I just can't believe something the church has praticed for thousands of years seems irellevant to our salvation.

Freddie Ong said...

Hi Donny,
I do agreed that water baptism is not criteria to one's salvation but rather a significant symbolism. But there is one part you said that because of it's symbolism therefore it will be better that the person actually go for immersion to keep close to the meaning and exemplified methods shown in your base on the scripture. Can you clarify your personal opinion should or should not a terminally ill person be allowed to conduct other forms of baptism which might be convenient for that person?

Anonymous said...

Raymond Marsden says...

You were right about the mode of Water Baptism given which is immersion. But you mentioned about giving Water Baptism to infants who cannot swim. You might be in conflict with the doctrines of the AOG as they do not subscribe to infants being Water Baptism.

Anonymous said...

I was asked the question "If water baptism is not compulsory for salvation, then why shd the Christian do it?" so many times that I kinda have formulated my automatic reply. A Christian professes that Jesus is his Lord and Saviour. The "Saviour" part everyone can understand - it is by His grace I am saved. Jesus died for me. Hooray. But what about the "Lord" part? I mean, Jesus commanded water baptism, didn't he? So what are you, a person who calls Jesus his Lord, going to do with this His command?
So I've kinda ceased going into rationale, and just get to the crux of the matter - regardless of whether or not it is crucial to salvation, or whether or not this is a new commandment alien from OT practices, Water Baptism is a command from our LORD Jesus Christ. So what are you going to do about it?

Just my two cents' worth...

DonnyTanTW said...

Thanks Everybody for contributing! I really appreciate your comments and intend to respond with some more of my opinions. Please be patient with me as I do a little more research.

Meanwhile, feel free to respond to one another's comments. Thanks again and God bless!

Freddie Ong said...

Hi Donny,
There is one more matter i would like your personal opinion. Since baptism is by large just a symbolism rather than means to salvation, would you still insist those from other modes of baptism who came to your church that they need to go through any other baptism; e.g. Catholics?

Jonathan Tan said...

Dear Dohnie,

I believe something spiritual actually happens when someone is baptised, not so much for salvation, but definitely more important than just a symbol. Otherwise why did the apostle Peter said: "Repent and be baptised; and you shall receive the gift of the holy Spirit." Something is passed to the believers when they are baptised!

Tom Payne said...

Dohnie,
Thanks for your comments from the heart. I did want to make a couple of observations.1 cor 15:1-3 defines the gospel which we are commanded to teach and obey. Rom 6:1-17 explains how WE men obey the gospel through water baptism (immersion). Bible shows gospel as a death, burial, and resurrection. If my student understands the gospel, they see the importance of death to sin, they are buried (in water) and raised a NEW person with their sins forgiven. If someone is so sick they cannot be placed under the water then their heart is known by a merciful and loving Master.

Tom P. tompayne@hotmail.com